<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
		>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: Grad School: Where Should I Apply for a Master&#8217;s/Ph.D. in I/O Psychology?</title>
	<atom:link href="http://neoacademic.com/2011/08/03/grad-school-where-should-i-apply/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://neoacademic.com/2011/08/03/grad-school-where-should-i-apply/</link>
	<description>technology, education and training research from an industrial/organizational (I/O) psychologist in the ivory tower</description>
	<lastBuildDate>Sat, 04 May 2013 15:02:58 +0000</lastBuildDate>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.5.1</generator>
<xhtml:meta xmlns:xhtml="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" name="robots" content="noindex" />
	<item>
		<title>By: Richard N. Landers</title>
		<link>http://neoacademic.com/2011/08/03/grad-school-where-should-i-apply/#comment-53312</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard N. Landers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2013 18:56:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://neoacademic.com/?p=1368#comment-53312</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Yes, program quality is important in I/O.  It varies dramatically when considering the full range of programs available; but even more importantly, better programs will tend to have more or longer-term relationships with places for you to get jobs after school.  Online programs generally have few or zero such connections, which is why I don&#039;t recommend them.  Rankings sort-of-kind-of reflect this quality, but not perfectly.

Rankings don&#039;t really matter at all between the relatively similar programs - for example, any school in the top 30 or so give you basically the same opportunities.  The #1 and #2 school, or the #10 and #11 schools - basically the same, as far as your education is concerned.  In fact, I&#039;d say there are relatively few differences between the #4 and #20.  Such schools will certainly have minor, noticeable differences (for example, one may emphasize statistical training more strongly), but these vary by program and don&#039;t match up with rankings (and thus require more in-depth research).

I&#039;ll also mention that all decent PhD programs will provide assistantships and tuition waivers, so the cost of PhD programs are all essentially the same, i.e. zero (aside from slightly varying  salaries for the assistantships).  Cost should only be a factor when comparing Master&#039;s programs.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, program quality is important in I/O.  It varies dramatically when considering the full range of programs available; but even more importantly, better programs will tend to have more or longer-term relationships with places for you to get jobs after school.  Online programs generally have few or zero such connections, which is why I don&#8217;t recommend them.  Rankings sort-of-kind-of reflect this quality, but not perfectly.</p>
<p>Rankings don&#8217;t really matter at all between the relatively similar programs &#8211; for example, any school in the top 30 or so give you basically the same opportunities.  The #1 and #2 school, or the #10 and #11 schools &#8211; basically the same, as far as your education is concerned.  In fact, I&#8217;d say there are relatively few differences between the #4 and #20.  Such schools will certainly have minor, noticeable differences (for example, one may emphasize statistical training more strongly), but these vary by program and don&#8217;t match up with rankings (and thus require more in-depth research).</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll also mention that all decent PhD programs will provide assistantships and tuition waivers, so the cost of PhD programs are all essentially the same, i.e. zero (aside from slightly varying  salaries for the assistantships).  Cost should only be a factor when comparing Master&#8217;s programs.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Rachel</title>
		<link>http://neoacademic.com/2011/08/03/grad-school-where-should-i-apply/#comment-53311</link>
		<dc:creator>Rachel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Dec 2012 20:47:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://neoacademic.com/?p=1368#comment-53311</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Is the school you attend as important as people tend to think? I am just wondering if the debt in the end will be worth it for a school like NYU versus a smaller school that costs multiple times less.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is the school you attend as important as people tend to think? I am just wondering if the debt in the end will be worth it for a school like NYU versus a smaller school that costs multiple times less.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Richard N. Landers</title>
		<link>http://neoacademic.com/2011/08/03/grad-school-where-should-i-apply/#comment-52915</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard N. Landers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2012 02:20:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://neoacademic.com/?p=1368#comment-52915</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[You can and should; however, it will only help a little bit.  I&#039;d recommend approaching the faculty member you&#039;ll be working with and asking if you can start early.  Any experience before applications are due (and any experience that the faculty member can reference in her/his recommendation letter) will make your application much stronger.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can and should; however, it will only help a little bit.  I&#8217;d recommend approaching the faculty member you&#8217;ll be working with and asking if you can start early.  Any experience before applications are due (and any experience that the faculty member can reference in her/his recommendation letter) will make your application much stronger.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Trisha</title>
		<link>http://neoacademic.com/2011/08/03/grad-school-where-should-i-apply/#comment-52914</link>
		<dc:creator>Trisha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2012 02:17:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://neoacademic.com/?p=1368#comment-52914</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[I am in my first semester of senior year and application deadlines are due this semester. Can I put on my applications that I will be research assisting in the next semester? It sounds silly but I have to turn them in and I would like them to know that I have obtained a position as a research assistant as it is my only research experience.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am in my first semester of senior year and application deadlines are due this semester. Can I put on my applications that I will be research assisting in the next semester? It sounds silly but I have to turn them in and I would like them to know that I have obtained a position as a research assistant as it is my only research experience.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Richard N. Landers</title>
		<link>http://neoacademic.com/2011/08/03/grad-school-where-should-i-apply/#comment-52903</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard N. Landers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2012 02:42:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://neoacademic.com/?p=1368#comment-52903</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[If it doesn&#039;t say &quot;I/O&quot;, it&#039;s not I/O.  A PhD in Organizational Studies could mean virtually anything.  If it&#039;s in a business school, it&#039;s probably closer to a degree in human resources and/or organizational behavior.  If it&#039;s not, it is probably some sort of interdisciplinary program (perhaps combining elements of psychology, but perhaps not).  The only way to really know is to look at the curriculum and see what kinds of classes you would be taking (and also to check the credentials of the faculty - if you don&#039;t see at least two or three folks that calls themselves I/O, it&#039;s definitely not an I/O program).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If it doesn&#8217;t say &#8220;I/O&#8221;, it&#8217;s not I/O.  A PhD in Organizational Studies could mean virtually anything.  If it&#8217;s in a business school, it&#8217;s probably closer to a degree in human resources and/or organizational behavior.  If it&#8217;s not, it is probably some sort of interdisciplinary program (perhaps combining elements of psychology, but perhaps not).  The only way to really know is to look at the curriculum and see what kinds of classes you would be taking (and also to check the credentials of the faculty &#8211; if you don&#8217;t see at least two or three folks that calls themselves I/O, it&#8217;s definitely not an I/O program).</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Rachel</title>
		<link>http://neoacademic.com/2011/08/03/grad-school-where-should-i-apply/#comment-52902</link>
		<dc:creator>Rachel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2012 01:54:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://neoacademic.com/?p=1368#comment-52902</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Would you say that a PhD in Organizational Studies is similar to a Phd in I/O? I would like to get into management consulting but want to make sure they could both lead me down the same path. Thanks a lot]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would you say that a PhD in Organizational Studies is similar to a Phd in I/O? I would like to get into management consulting but want to make sure they could both lead me down the same path. Thanks a lot</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Richard N. Landers</title>
		<link>http://neoacademic.com/2011/08/03/grad-school-where-should-i-apply/#comment-25713</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard N. Landers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Apr 2012 02:20:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://neoacademic.com/?p=1368#comment-25713</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[@Dan - It doesn&#039;t matter much.  What determines if a program is an MS or MA is usually what college they are located in within their university - Sciences (for MS), Arts &amp; Letters (for MA), or Liberal Arts (could be either).  The specific requirements differ by program such that you could get more quant training in an MA program than in an MS program; there&#039;s no way to know from the degree initials alone.  So that by itself will not affect your career path; the reputation of the program itself is far more important.  As for which programs are more respected in the practitioner world, it is the same list as for the academic world.  Program rigor is program rigor.  There are certainly established relationships between particular programs and particular large consulting firms, but this varies by program.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Dan &#8211; It doesn&#8217;t matter much.  What determines if a program is an MS or MA is usually what college they are located in within their university &#8211; Sciences (for MS), Arts &#038; Letters (for MA), or Liberal Arts (could be either).  The specific requirements differ by program such that you could get more quant training in an MA program than in an MS program; there&#8217;s no way to know from the degree initials alone.  So that by itself will not affect your career path; the reputation of the program itself is far more important.  As for which programs are more respected in the practitioner world, it is the same list as for the academic world.  Program rigor is program rigor.  There are certainly established relationships between particular programs and particular large consulting firms, but this varies by program.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://neoacademic.com/2011/08/03/grad-school-where-should-i-apply/#comment-25559</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Mar 2012 17:37:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://neoacademic.com/?p=1368#comment-25559</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Richard,

Your website has been a great help in parsing out the many details and considerations involved in applying to graduate school.

One item you may have already addressed, but which I cannot find is: the difference between a MA and a MS in IO Psych?

I would imagine that the MS programs are more quantitative oriented than the MA programs.  But how do the different degrees effect career paths?  Which is more likely to end up in consulting position?  Which programs are more respected in the practitioner world?

Thanks,

Dan]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard,</p>
<p>Your website has been a great help in parsing out the many details and considerations involved in applying to graduate school.</p>
<p>One item you may have already addressed, but which I cannot find is: the difference between a MA and a MS in IO Psych?</p>
<p>I would imagine that the MS programs are more quantitative oriented than the MA programs.  But how do the different degrees effect career paths?  Which is more likely to end up in consulting position?  Which programs are more respected in the practitioner world?</p>
<p>Thanks,</p>
<p>Dan</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Richard N. Landers</title>
		<link>http://neoacademic.com/2011/08/03/grad-school-where-should-i-apply/#comment-12893</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard N. Landers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Aug 2011 17:37:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://neoacademic.com/?p=1368#comment-12893</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m glad it&#039;s helping!  I&#039;ve still got a few more features to go, but we&#039;re definitely getting toward the end.

As for your question, I definitely wouldn&#039;t say that&#039;s a &quot;blemish,&quot; but your application would certainly be that much stronger if you did have that experience.  

The issue is that working as a URA and doing an independent research project demonstrate different competencies and are differentially difficult.  

By being an URA, you&#039;ve demonstrated initiative (by seeking out such opportunities) and if your letters are strong, work ethic (by being on time, meeting your responsibilities, etc.).  

By doing your own research project, you demonstrate independent thought and just that much more initiative.  Faculty know that an undergraduate running his own research project is uncommon because it is very difficult.  Publishing something as an undergraduate is even more so.  It is a real sign of commitment and long-term planning.  So that makes those actions all the more impressive.

Having said that, I&#039;d say that the top quarter to third of undergraduates applying to I/O have some URA experience (fewer have glowing letters of recommendation about their performance during such experiences), while the top 5ish% have independent research experience.  Only a handful will have published anything.  So you are already toward the top.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m glad it&#8217;s helping!  I&#8217;ve still got a few more features to go, but we&#8217;re definitely getting toward the end.</p>
<p>As for your question, I definitely wouldn&#8217;t say that&#8217;s a &#8220;blemish,&#8221; but your application would certainly be that much stronger if you did have that experience.  </p>
<p>The issue is that working as a URA and doing an independent research project demonstrate different competencies and are differentially difficult.  </p>
<p>By being an URA, you&#8217;ve demonstrated initiative (by seeking out such opportunities) and if your letters are strong, work ethic (by being on time, meeting your responsibilities, etc.).  </p>
<p>By doing your own research project, you demonstrate independent thought and just that much more initiative.  Faculty know that an undergraduate running his own research project is uncommon because it is very difficult.  Publishing something as an undergraduate is even more so.  It is a real sign of commitment and long-term planning.  So that makes those actions all the more impressive.</p>
<p>Having said that, I&#8217;d say that the top quarter to third of undergraduates applying to I/O have some URA experience (fewer have glowing letters of recommendation about their performance during such experiences), while the top 5ish% have independent research experience.  Only a handful will have published anything.  So you are already toward the top.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Spencer</title>
		<link>http://neoacademic.com/2011/08/03/grad-school-where-should-i-apply/#comment-12887</link>
		<dc:creator>Spencer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Aug 2011 11:07:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://neoacademic.com/?p=1368#comment-12887</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Richard,

As a student currently in the process of applying to graduate schools for I-O, I would like to express my appreciation for you efforts on this site.  Having done as much online research on the process of applying that I have, I can say that your insights and suggestions have been some of the best I have found.  Specifically, your site has helped me more than others because it is specifically aimed at prospective I-O students.  

I have one thing to ask, if you don&#039;t mind...  I have been active as an URA for nearly two years now (I-O focused research).  I proctor sessions, recruit participants, and enter data on a consistent basis.  However, I have not officially conducted any research of my own.  Do you think that selection committees, Ph.D. programs in particular, tend to distinguish between the two?  Would this be something of a blemish on my application?

Thanks again for all of your help!

Spencer]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard,</p>
<p>As a student currently in the process of applying to graduate schools for I-O, I would like to express my appreciation for you efforts on this site.  Having done as much online research on the process of applying that I have, I can say that your insights and suggestions have been some of the best I have found.  Specifically, your site has helped me more than others because it is specifically aimed at prospective I-O students.  </p>
<p>I have one thing to ask, if you don&#8217;t mind&#8230;  I have been active as an URA for nearly two years now (I-O focused research).  I proctor sessions, recruit participants, and enter data on a consistent basis.  However, I have not officially conducted any research of my own.  Do you think that selection committees, Ph.D. programs in particular, tend to distinguish between the two?  Would this be something of a blemish on my application?</p>
<p>Thanks again for all of your help!</p>
<p>Spencer</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>
