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	<title>Comments on: Grad School: Should I Get a Ph.D. or Master&#8217;s in I/O Psychology?</title>
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		<title>By: Richard N. Landers</title>
		<link>http://neoacademic.com/2011/06/14/grad-school-should-i-get-a-ph-d-or-masters-in-io-psychology/#comment-55743</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard N. Landers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Apr 2013 19:09:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The profit-focused side is still psychology - for example, understanding what human characteristics best predict job performance - but you seem to want more of the warm fuzzy side.  We&#039;d call that &quot;more of an interest in the O-side than the I-side of I/O.&quot;  That&#039;s a matter of job title.  If you want the more &quot;employee focused&quot; jobs, you want jobs with titles involving things like &quot;organizational development.&quot;  However, there do tend to be more jobs on the I side.

I will add though that the only way to improve the lives of those tens of thousands of employees at Walmart would be to work at Walmart and try to change things from the inside.  There are many I/O&#039;s trying to do just that - but it is a battle to convince upper management that such moves would ultimately be in the best interests of the company without obvious ROI.  If you work in a company where employees are already happy and productive, what&#039;s the point of your job?  :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The profit-focused side is still psychology &#8211; for example, understanding what human characteristics best predict job performance &#8211; but you seem to want more of the warm fuzzy side.  We&#8217;d call that &#8220;more of an interest in the O-side than the I-side of I/O.&#8221;  That&#8217;s a matter of job title.  If you want the more &#8220;employee focused&#8221; jobs, you want jobs with titles involving things like &#8220;organizational development.&#8221;  However, there do tend to be more jobs on the I side.</p>
<p>I will add though that the only way to improve the lives of those tens of thousands of employees at Walmart would be to work at Walmart and try to change things from the inside.  There are many I/O&#8217;s trying to do just that &#8211; but it is a battle to convince upper management that such moves would ultimately be in the best interests of the company without obvious ROI.  If you work in a company where employees are already happy and productive, what&#8217;s the point of your job?  <img src='http://neoacademic.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: jeremy</title>
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		<dc:creator>jeremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Apr 2013 18:05:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dr. Landers,
The more research I do, the more it seems to me that the profession is business focused (profit focused). Where does the psychology come into play? Are there positions held by I/O psychologists that may be more employee focused? I see a lot of graduate students that have interests in subjects such as diversity or work-life balance, but I do not see any relationships between those subjects with the actual I/O job descriptions I have been reading in regards to employment.  I can&#039;t see myself working for a company like Walmart as a psychologist seeing as their employees are not treated or paid well. I don&#039;t know if I explained myself well enough for you. There are just things I&#039;ve been thinking about.
Thanks!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Landers,<br />
The more research I do, the more it seems to me that the profession is business focused (profit focused). Where does the psychology come into play? Are there positions held by I/O psychologists that may be more employee focused? I see a lot of graduate students that have interests in subjects such as diversity or work-life balance, but I do not see any relationships between those subjects with the actual I/O job descriptions I have been reading in regards to employment.  I can&#8217;t see myself working for a company like Walmart as a psychologist seeing as their employees are not treated or paid well. I don&#8217;t know if I explained myself well enough for you. There are just things I&#8217;ve been thinking about.<br />
Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Richard N. Landers</title>
		<link>http://neoacademic.com/2011/06/14/grad-school-should-i-get-a-ph-d-or-masters-in-io-psychology/#comment-55723</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard N. Landers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Apr 2013 16:27:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No matter what, a Ph.D. is a research degree.  The difference is going to be the focus. In a more academically-inclined program (although there are not many of these these days, if any) is going to focus more on research as a means to answer unique and interesting questions about I/O.  An applied program is going to focus on research as a means to solve practical organizational problems.  Most &quot;traditional&quot; PhD programs in I/O these days are somewhere in the middle - for example, we have dedicated research methods classes and students complete 1st-year research projects, but I also train my students in techniques to evaluate fairness and bias of selection systems (and the theory behind these processes), evaluate tests actually used in the field, etc.  In contrast, a Master&#039;s program is going to be more nuts-and-bolts - while you might learn to evaluate bias in a selection system there as well, you are likely to get less of the theory behind WHY you would do this, which will also leave you less prepared to adapt as standards change until someone else trains you how to use the new techniques.  With the PhD, you would be better prepared to understand why that change was necessary and be the teacher rather than the learner when such changes occurred.

As long as the department is APA-accredited (I/O is not accredited specifically), the program is probably fine.  I don&#039;t think there&#039;s any harm applying to such a place in addition to anywhere else you apply - once you know everywhere you are accepted, you can choose the best option among that set.

And again, the absolute best thing you can do is track down some recent graduates of the program and see what kinds of jobs they have.  First-hand information is better than anything else.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No matter what, a Ph.D. is a research degree.  The difference is going to be the focus. In a more academically-inclined program (although there are not many of these these days, if any) is going to focus more on research as a means to answer unique and interesting questions about I/O.  An applied program is going to focus on research as a means to solve practical organizational problems.  Most &#8220;traditional&#8221; PhD programs in I/O these days are somewhere in the middle &#8211; for example, we have dedicated research methods classes and students complete 1st-year research projects, but I also train my students in techniques to evaluate fairness and bias of selection systems (and the theory behind these processes), evaluate tests actually used in the field, etc.  In contrast, a Master&#8217;s program is going to be more nuts-and-bolts &#8211; while you might learn to evaluate bias in a selection system there as well, you are likely to get less of the theory behind WHY you would do this, which will also leave you less prepared to adapt as standards change until someone else trains you how to use the new techniques.  With the PhD, you would be better prepared to understand why that change was necessary and be the teacher rather than the learner when such changes occurred.</p>
<p>As long as the department is APA-accredited (I/O is not accredited specifically), the program is probably fine.  I don&#8217;t think there&#8217;s any harm applying to such a place in addition to anywhere else you apply &#8211; once you know everywhere you are accepted, you can choose the best option among that set.</p>
<p>And again, the absolute best thing you can do is track down some recent graduates of the program and see what kinds of jobs they have.  First-hand information is better than anything else.</p>
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		<title>By: Wayatt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wayatt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Apr 2013 04:19:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hello Dr. Landers.

I am really appreciate such an insightful thread and responses to questions in the field.

There are some doctoral programs out there particularly, Louisiana Tech that are more focused on applied rather than research.  From what I gather on the website, the program is a fairly new program about 4-5 years old.  But the school has a well established Master&#039;s program, I think the only one in the state.  Although it is a small department it appears to be a program run by all I/O psychologist.

It is a school that I am considering but I have my concerns because the program is new, and the school does not offer a tuition waver.  Do you have any information on a program such as this one, and in your opinion would it be a good choice to submit an application to?  I am considering their Masters program as well, I really don&#039;t understand the difference in a Master&#039;s program and a Phd program that is geared toward applied.

Your comments would be appreciated.
Thanks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Dr. Landers.</p>
<p>I am really appreciate such an insightful thread and responses to questions in the field.</p>
<p>There are some doctoral programs out there particularly, Louisiana Tech that are more focused on applied rather than research.  From what I gather on the website, the program is a fairly new program about 4-5 years old.  But the school has a well established Master&#8217;s program, I think the only one in the state.  Although it is a small department it appears to be a program run by all I/O psychologist.</p>
<p>It is a school that I am considering but I have my concerns because the program is new, and the school does not offer a tuition waver.  Do you have any information on a program such as this one, and in your opinion would it be a good choice to submit an application to?  I am considering their Masters program as well, I really don&#8217;t understand the difference in a Master&#8217;s program and a Phd program that is geared toward applied.</p>
<p>Your comments would be appreciated.<br />
Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard N. Landers</title>
		<link>http://neoacademic.com/2011/06/14/grad-school-should-i-get-a-ph-d-or-masters-in-io-psychology/#comment-55700</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard N. Landers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Apr 2013 17:50:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We sometimes are.  But I think the reason most people don&#039;t call themselves I/O psychologists in the work environment is because of the most common response one would get: &quot;What is that?&quot; or &quot;Why do we need a psychologist?&quot;  The most common response I get now when saying I&#039;m an I/O Psychologist is, &quot;Oh I know someone you&#039;d love to analyze!&quot;  The public misconception about what most psychologists do means that when you&#039;re trying to sell your services to a client, it&#039;s more profitable and easier to say &quot;I&#039;m a consultant&quot; versus &quot;I&#039;m a psychologist.&quot;  

Business psychology is mostly the same thing - there isn&#039;t a field called &quot;business psychology&quot; per se, but I/O might be considered under that heading, along with Career Counseling and a couple of related fields.  So I would say &quot;business psychology&quot; is a label that includes several distinct fields, including I/O Psychology, but does not represent a distinct field itself.  The exception to this is &quot;work psychology&quot; or &quot;work and organizational psychology&quot; which are common European terms for I/O.

And I absolutely find the work I do rewarding - few social sciences have such broad practical impact on people&#039;s lives.  Time spent at work makes up about half of most people&#039;s waking lives before retirement.  What better place is there to help massive numbers of people?  Better training helps people do their jobs better (more satisfying to them, more value to the organization), better selection creates a more pleasant workplace (better coworker relations, less process loss within the organization), better leadership is more inspiring, better teamwork, etc., etc.  These are all processes that I/O psychologists can influence for the better through both research and practice.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We sometimes are.  But I think the reason most people don&#8217;t call themselves I/O psychologists in the work environment is because of the most common response one would get: &#8220;What is that?&#8221; or &#8220;Why do we need a psychologist?&#8221;  The most common response I get now when saying I&#8217;m an I/O Psychologist is, &#8220;Oh I know someone you&#8217;d love to analyze!&#8221;  The public misconception about what most psychologists do means that when you&#8217;re trying to sell your services to a client, it&#8217;s more profitable and easier to say &#8220;I&#8217;m a consultant&#8221; versus &#8220;I&#8217;m a psychologist.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Business psychology is mostly the same thing &#8211; there isn&#8217;t a field called &#8220;business psychology&#8221; per se, but I/O might be considered under that heading, along with Career Counseling and a couple of related fields.  So I would say &#8220;business psychology&#8221; is a label that includes several distinct fields, including I/O Psychology, but does not represent a distinct field itself.  The exception to this is &#8220;work psychology&#8221; or &#8220;work and organizational psychology&#8221; which are common European terms for I/O.</p>
<p>And I absolutely find the work I do rewarding &#8211; few social sciences have such broad practical impact on people&#8217;s lives.  Time spent at work makes up about half of most people&#8217;s waking lives before retirement.  What better place is there to help massive numbers of people?  Better training helps people do their jobs better (more satisfying to them, more value to the organization), better selection creates a more pleasant workplace (better coworker relations, less process loss within the organization), better leadership is more inspiring, better teamwork, etc., etc.  These are all processes that I/O psychologists can influence for the better through both research and practice.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Apr 2013 17:25:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dr. Landers, 
Why aren&#039;t I/O psychologists refered to as psychologists when in the work environment? Do you think that may be a reason for the lack of knowledge among professionals about the profession? Also, is business psychology and I/O psychology the same thing? As an I/O psychologists, do you find the work you do rewarding?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Landers,<br />
Why aren&#8217;t I/O psychologists refered to as psychologists when in the work environment? Do you think that may be a reason for the lack of knowledge among professionals about the profession? Also, is business psychology and I/O psychology the same thing? As an I/O psychologists, do you find the work you do rewarding?</p>
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		<title>By: Richard N. Landers</title>
		<link>http://neoacademic.com/2011/06/14/grad-school-should-i-get-a-ph-d-or-masters-in-io-psychology/#comment-55695</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard N. Landers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Apr 2013 13:18:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[First of all, you will find little to no value in getting a clinical Master&#039;s degree.  The entry-level for clinical work in psychology is the Ph.D. or Psy.D. - the Master&#039;s will usually not even get you licensed.  I don&#039;t see any compelling career-oriented reason to get this degree.  If you want to enter I/O, I&#039;d get a Master&#039;s in I/O straight from undergrad, although it will be more difficult to get into such a program with an online degree.  I would not recommend attending an online Master&#039;s program.

Second, your goals are extremely specific.  Often, this means that you will be more difficult to employ, or that you will need to have extremely strong ability to explain how your developed skills will apply in the context you are seeking.  I doubt there many jobs for &quot;I/O Psychologist&quot; in maritime management.  However, there are likely to be many jobs that an I/O could fill within that field - e.g. training supervisor - but it would be up to you to figure out which jobs those were through your pre-existing network.

Third, &quot;a focus on employee and career management&quot; is a little vague.  Employee management - i.e. making managerial and supervisory processes more effective - is a part of I/O.  But career management is not at all.  That more often falls under either Human Resources or Counseling with a workplace emphasis (not part of Psychology).  I&#039;d suggest thinking about what you see yourself doing on a day-to-day basis and let that drive your career choice (&quot;I want to use psychology&quot; is not enough by itself).

In terms of general recommendations, I&#039;d suggest researching I/O Master&#039;s and Ph.D. programs to identify some with connections to the industry that you are already in - then contact I/O area directors to explain your situation and ask for advice.  If such programs don&#039;t exist, then it will be all the more difficult later to find employment - but this would be a reality you should face head-on.  If you want to be a private consultant, leveraging your industry network as clients, I&#039;d also suggest pursuing a Ph.D.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First of all, you will find little to no value in getting a clinical Master&#8217;s degree.  The entry-level for clinical work in psychology is the Ph.D. or Psy.D. &#8211; the Master&#8217;s will usually not even get you licensed.  I don&#8217;t see any compelling career-oriented reason to get this degree.  If you want to enter I/O, I&#8217;d get a Master&#8217;s in I/O straight from undergrad, although it will be more difficult to get into such a program with an online degree.  I would not recommend attending an online Master&#8217;s program.</p>
<p>Second, your goals are extremely specific.  Often, this means that you will be more difficult to employ, or that you will need to have extremely strong ability to explain how your developed skills will apply in the context you are seeking.  I doubt there many jobs for &#8220;I/O Psychologist&#8221; in maritime management.  However, there are likely to be many jobs that an I/O could fill within that field &#8211; e.g. training supervisor &#8211; but it would be up to you to figure out which jobs those were through your pre-existing network.</p>
<p>Third, &#8220;a focus on employee and career management&#8221; is a little vague.  Employee management &#8211; i.e. making managerial and supervisory processes more effective &#8211; is a part of I/O.  But career management is not at all.  That more often falls under either Human Resources or Counseling with a workplace emphasis (not part of Psychology).  I&#8217;d suggest thinking about what you see yourself doing on a day-to-day basis and let that drive your career choice (&#8220;I want to use psychology&#8221; is not enough by itself).</p>
<p>In terms of general recommendations, I&#8217;d suggest researching I/O Master&#8217;s and Ph.D. programs to identify some with connections to the industry that you are already in &#8211; then contact I/O area directors to explain your situation and ask for advice.  If such programs don&#8217;t exist, then it will be all the more difficult later to find employment &#8211; but this would be a reality you should face head-on.  If you want to be a private consultant, leveraging your industry network as clients, I&#8217;d also suggest pursuing a Ph.D.</p>
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		<title>By: William</title>
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		<dc:creator>William</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Apr 2013 08:54:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sir,

Thank you for your very insightful posts, I have long had questions specific to IO psychology and appreciate your time.

My situation feels similar to Lucas&#039;s, who is in the armed services and seeking higher education that will, hopefully, somehow dovetail academic achievement with practical real life experience to afford some level of market sustainability.

I am a full time commercial fisherman in Alaska currently getting my BS with a focus on Psychology from an accredited online university, GPA 4.0, and I plan on pursuing my Masters in Liberal Arts with a major in General (possibly Clinical) Psychology with the Harvard Extension School (my attempt to move closer to brick and mortar; as I will stop fishing for my educational interests the close of this year).

I would like to apply my professional maritime credentials (I am licensed by the US Coast Guard as a captain as well as an engineer), combine them with psychology, and work privately as a consultant while researching psychology as it pertains to the maritime industry, working with companies with a focus on employee and career management. This has led to an interest in I/O psychology which I hope is not misplaced or unfounded.

I feel this is a bit of a gray area to be asking advice about. On one hand I have professional contacts already, which is good, and I am not seeking an academic career, which might afford some flexibility. On the other hand, I do not know of much precedent of psychology specifically within the maritime industry and would appreciate your advice and insights as to how I might proceed, as I feel this would be an exciting applied field in which I am currently versed, though if it does lack a certain precedent this might place greater emphasis on holding a terminal research oriented degree.

Best,

William]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sir,</p>
<p>Thank you for your very insightful posts, I have long had questions specific to IO psychology and appreciate your time.</p>
<p>My situation feels similar to Lucas&#8217;s, who is in the armed services and seeking higher education that will, hopefully, somehow dovetail academic achievement with practical real life experience to afford some level of market sustainability.</p>
<p>I am a full time commercial fisherman in Alaska currently getting my BS with a focus on Psychology from an accredited online university, GPA 4.0, and I plan on pursuing my Masters in Liberal Arts with a major in General (possibly Clinical) Psychology with the Harvard Extension School (my attempt to move closer to brick and mortar; as I will stop fishing for my educational interests the close of this year).</p>
<p>I would like to apply my professional maritime credentials (I am licensed by the US Coast Guard as a captain as well as an engineer), combine them with psychology, and work privately as a consultant while researching psychology as it pertains to the maritime industry, working with companies with a focus on employee and career management. This has led to an interest in I/O psychology which I hope is not misplaced or unfounded.</p>
<p>I feel this is a bit of a gray area to be asking advice about. On one hand I have professional contacts already, which is good, and I am not seeking an academic career, which might afford some flexibility. On the other hand, I do not know of much precedent of psychology specifically within the maritime industry and would appreciate your advice and insights as to how I might proceed, as I feel this would be an exciting applied field in which I am currently versed, though if it does lack a certain precedent this might place greater emphasis on holding a terminal research oriented degree.</p>
<p>Best,</p>
<p>William</p>
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		<title>By: Richard N. Landers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard N. Landers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Apr 2013 19:13:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Where did you see an estimate in the 1200s?  That seems low to me, but at the Master&#039;s level, could be accurate.  But there aren&#039;t very many I/O Master&#039;s students, either.

I don&#039;t think there are many jobs with the title &quot;I/O&quot; other than professor.  Most I/Os go into either specialist positions within HR (e.g. assessment specialist, training designer, executive positions) or into a consultancy.  

A Master&#039;s degree as a terminal degree in I/O has not been around very long, and a lot of I/O Master&#039;s programs are springing up.  I honestly don&#039;t know if there are jobs to support these students.  The traditional degree is the Ph.D.  But like I&#039;ve mentioned before, most jobs in I/O, Master&#039;s or PhD, come about through the connections your degree-granting institution has with industry - for example, most (but not all) ODU grads going into practice go to one of a relatively small group of consultancies, but given that, our placement rate for graduates is 100%.  

Just about the worst thing you could do would be to attend a relatively unknown I/O Master&#039;s program - especially an online program - without a job lined up already.  It would be exceptionally difficult to land a position with that sort of education and without industry connections.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where did you see an estimate in the 1200s?  That seems low to me, but at the Master&#8217;s level, could be accurate.  But there aren&#8217;t very many I/O Master&#8217;s students, either.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think there are many jobs with the title &#8220;I/O&#8221; other than professor.  Most I/Os go into either specialist positions within HR (e.g. assessment specialist, training designer, executive positions) or into a consultancy.  </p>
<p>A Master&#8217;s degree as a terminal degree in I/O has not been around very long, and a lot of I/O Master&#8217;s programs are springing up.  I honestly don&#8217;t know if there are jobs to support these students.  The traditional degree is the Ph.D.  But like I&#8217;ve mentioned before, most jobs in I/O, Master&#8217;s or PhD, come about through the connections your degree-granting institution has with industry &#8211; for example, most (but not all) ODU grads going into practice go to one of a relatively small group of consultancies, but given that, our placement rate for graduates is 100%.  </p>
<p>Just about the worst thing you could do would be to attend a relatively unknown I/O Master&#8217;s program &#8211; especially an online program &#8211; without a job lined up already.  It would be exceptionally difficult to land a position with that sort of education and without industry connections.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard N. Landers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard N. Landers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Apr 2013 19:03:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It varies quite widely.  Internal consultants (e.g. if you worked within a single organization&#039;s HR function) and government-sponsored workers (e.g. Army Research Institute) are more likely to have a 9-5.  External consultant schedules tend to be a little more chaotic, but vary from firm to firm - I know people who work 40 hour weeks and others who work 100.  As with most jobs requiring an advanced degree, it depends more on the position than the job itself.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It varies quite widely.  Internal consultants (e.g. if you worked within a single organization&#8217;s HR function) and government-sponsored workers (e.g. Army Research Institute) are more likely to have a 9-5.  External consultant schedules tend to be a little more chaotic, but vary from firm to firm &#8211; I know people who work 40 hour weeks and others who work 100.  As with most jobs requiring an advanced degree, it depends more on the position than the job itself.</p>
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